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	<title>Comments on: Talking Taiwan (where allowed)</title>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisamico.com/2008/01/11/talking-taiwan-where-allowed/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in China I do get tired of having to self censor myself and not be able to say what I really think.  I think Tibet and Taiwan are seperate countries but I don't dare say that.  If I say the Dalai Lama is a good man (which I've done)  I get shouted down quickly enough.   It is sad that I can't tell my Chinese friends what I really think.  I like Chinese people but I'll be glad to leave next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in China I do get tired of having to self censor myself and not be able to say what I really think.  I think Tibet and Taiwan are seperate countries but I don&#8217;t dare say that.  If I say the Dalai Lama is a good man (which I&#8217;ve done)  I get shouted down quickly enough.   It is sad that I can&#8217;t tell my Chinese friends what I really think.  I like Chinese people but I&#8217;ll be glad to leave next year.</p>
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		<title>By: wk</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisamico.com/2008/01/11/talking-taiwan-where-allowed/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>wk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is taiwan issue a taboo topic in China?
Are we in different China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is taiwan issue a taboo topic in China?<br />
Are we in different China?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisamico.com/2008/01/11/talking-taiwan-where-allowed/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moments like those remind me how much I'VE been brainwashed... when I go home and get into arguments with my friends and family about China-related issues, it dawns on me I've totally internalized a lot of the propaganda. Maybe I could get a job as professional shill for the CCP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moments like those remind me how much I&#8217;VE been brainwashed&#8230; when I go home and get into arguments with my friends and family about China-related issues, it dawns on me I&#8217;ve totally internalized a lot of the propaganda. Maybe I could get a job as professional shill for the CCP.</p>
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		<title>By: syz</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisamico.com/2008/01/11/talking-taiwan-where-allowed/#comment-814</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good of you to bring up the embarrassing topic of self-censorship. We don't mention the T word here in Beijing, because doing so brings you in view of the third wall, and it's not a pretty site.

The first two walls (by which I mean the Great Wall and the Great Firewall, of course) have their ugly moments: the swarming hawkers, the inexplicable and annoying censorship of Eyes East... But in the end it's all just kind of quaint. Wink wink, nod nod. We all know those walls are full of holes -- a pretense kept up for showing the mandarins that the bureaucrats are working hard to preserve harmony.

But the third wall is stone-faced and blustering, maybe even frightening. Few foreigners outside (mainland) China have seen it, but no foreigner in China for any amount of time could have missed it. Usually if you visit once, you don't go back. It starts off as an innocent enough conversation. You think you're exchanging honest opinions about the nature of governance. Then all of a sudden the tone is truculent -- livid if you decide to push. You're getting a lecture about foreign powers trying to divide and conquer China and how you've been brainwashed by the foreign media and couldn't possibly understand anyway.

Maybe that's all to be expected. Jingoism in any country is distasteful, and every country has it. But the "maybe frightening" part is how few chinks there are in this wall. As you first approach the wall, you might laugh it off, knowing off the top of your head half a dozen independent-minded friends who'd be happy to let you past. It's only when you get there that you realize your mistake. They're not just not letting you through, they are enthusiastic enforcers of the wall's integrity. There is only one China, they are sure, and you wonder what means they'll go to to enforce that belief.

Yikes. And don't even think about bringing up the other T word from the west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good of you to bring up the embarrassing topic of self-censorship. We don&#8217;t mention the T word here in Beijing, because doing so brings you in view of the third wall, and it&#8217;s not a pretty site.</p>
<p>The first two walls (by which I mean the Great Wall and the Great Firewall, of course) have their ugly moments: the swarming hawkers, the inexplicable and annoying censorship of Eyes East&#8230; But in the end it&#8217;s all just kind of quaint. Wink wink, nod nod. We all know those walls are full of holes &#8212; a pretense kept up for showing the mandarins that the bureaucrats are working hard to preserve harmony.</p>
<p>But the third wall is stone-faced and blustering, maybe even frightening. Few foreigners outside (mainland) China have seen it, but no foreigner in China for any amount of time could have missed it. Usually if you visit once, you don&#8217;t go back. It starts off as an innocent enough conversation. You think you&#8217;re exchanging honest opinions about the nature of governance. Then all of a sudden the tone is truculent &#8212; livid if you decide to push. You&#8217;re getting a lecture about foreign powers trying to divide and conquer China and how you&#8217;ve been brainwashed by the foreign media and couldn&#8217;t possibly understand anyway.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s all to be expected. Jingoism in any country is distasteful, and every country has it. But the &#8220;maybe frightening&#8221; part is how few chinks there are in this wall. As you first approach the wall, you might laugh it off, knowing off the top of your head half a dozen independent-minded friends who&#8217;d be happy to let you past. It&#8217;s only when you get there that you realize your mistake. They&#8217;re not just not letting you through, they are enthusiastic enforcers of the wall&#8217;s integrity. There is only one China, they are sure, and you wonder what means they&#8217;ll go to to enforce that belief.</p>
<p>Yikes. And don&#8217;t even think about bringing up the other T word from the west.</p>
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